Warner 5 speed rebuild question

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Warner 5 speed rebuild question

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Winter back again here in NY. So, I tore down my warner transmission. There are 3 blocks or “dogs” on each synchro hub. I expected these would be held in place by a circular wire “spring” but the dogs actually fell out as I disassembled the gear train.

Question is: Should there be springs (more like wire semi circles that fit to the circumference of the hub) to hold the dogs in place?

I have some spare Synchros and parts and there are wire springs in those spares (all are used spares). New rebuild kit did not include dogs or springs - just bearings and synchros.

Any insight is appreciated

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Re: Warner 5 speed rebuild question

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What do the dogs look like on the bottom ?
Are the flat or recessed. I remember some smooth/ solid dogs that did not use/ have the springy clips
Our trans guy stated they were more what the racers wanted / used ...Im not exacty sure how they secured
Only saw a few trans with them
Pretty sure my 2dr. 510 I had in late 70s had this type
It blowed up

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Will get some pics tomorrow, thanks
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Long time ago but, on mine, I thought I would put some clip springs on it but there was no hole in the hub where it clips in

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Here’s a pic of the hub and the 3 dogs. The circular spring is from spares. I don’t see any holes in the hub to accept the bent ends of the spring although it does fit in the hub diameter
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Following this, as when I changed my fluid I found one of these in the fluid. Trans shifts fine except for a little grind going into 3rd if you shift a little fast.
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Hmm ...I was the alignment / frt end tech ...but helped the trans tech quite a bit . maybe late only syncro hubs had a hole to secure the tension spring ...the dog cant come out when in and fully assembled. But you want that spring tension too
A few dots of engine silicone adhesive covering the clip on the hub should stop it from coming off or if you can create just a minor depression where that outside tweak in the spring end rests

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Re: Warner 5 speed rebuild question

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Yeah, the dogs stayed in place while the gear train was together but as soon as I released the gears, a few fell out. It makes sense that they should stay in place while assembled - except for Mike’s experience....ugh

Gears and such are in the parts washer now. I am waiting for replacement holding plate screws to arrive from Nissan. BTW, the new ones are torx versus Phillips :D. I am
Leaning toward using the used springs....
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The journey continues...all parts have been cleaned and checked out. Good thing I have some spares as a couple of the gears had chips. I started assembly today and found I did not have the snap-ring (circlips) after(rearward) the synchro hub on 3rd or 2nd...? Whom ever was in the box last apparently didn't re-install them? Else they broke and went out in the gear oil? Transmission was missing wire springs on synchro hubs to hold dogs and now missing Circlips....

I used my old wire springs on the hubs and they worked good.

BTW - I am using Scott Sheeler's book as my rebuild guide, along with factory manual - which is only helpful in a couple of ways

Maybe get my parts in a few days...ugh (wanted to be done by now!)
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I told this in another trans post some dealer started buying up low priced older parts to sell @ a 2, 3X price in late 70s early 80s like these clips , I remember the DSM complaining about it
I remember on mine the sycro sleeve and brass rings were all I could get

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Re: Warner 5 speed rebuild question

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Thanks to some input from JT, I have the Warner box gear train together. Still need to torque the rear shaft nuts and put in the shift forks.

My issue was that I needed to combo the snap ring thickness with a spacer thickness. I had a thick snap ring but had too thick of a spacer. Luckily, I had other spacers in the spares so I was able to use thick snap ring with a thinner spacer. Not sure where the original snap ring went...but not going to worry about it.

Also, found torx head bolts to replace the Phillips that hold the bearing backer plate to center plate. See pic.

Nissan part number 01141-00021 “bolt-fixing”
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