Anti-Drain tube back necessity

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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by Gregs672000 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:05 pm

No offense taken at all! What I reported was my personal experience in using the Mobile One filter, which does not allow for the use of the tube. The rattle was significantly longer despite the smaller size of the filter. By switching back to a Hastings and the tube, the rattle was much shorter, which suggested that the tube was doing its job to help keep the filter more full. I also always spin my engine for about 12 reps before firing (I have an ignition kill switch). Three pumps of the Dellortos, switch on and it fires right up with no rattle. That did not happen with the Mobile One filter regardless.

I believe the bigger issue is pressurizing the cam chain tensioner. The rattle seems to be caused more by this than rocker arms on the cam. By shimming the tensioner, most pre-start rattle sounds are gone, and what's there is very quiet. However, what sounded like "oil starvation" was longer without the tube. BTW, with my engine on the stand with the tensioner installed NO shims and without oil pressure (of course), when turning the engine over by hand the chain would go through this slacking then sudden tightening as the tensioner would be pushed in against its internal spring, which is not enough resistance. I watched the crank turn while the cam did not, radically changing cam to crank timing, and it wasn't just a little. What happens when the engine is being turned faster by the starter is unknown, but that rattling would suggest to me that what I observed is happening unless the tensioner is shimmed. So, regardless I suggest every U20 cam tensioner be shimmed!
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by TurboRagtop » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:07 pm

Dumb question from a guy who has never taken apart a U20:
Does the timing chain use a hydraulic tensioner, or is it strictly a spring-loaded deal?
I remember from (decades ago) working on the L16 that it had a spring-loaded plunger attached to the tensioner shoe, but also used engine oil pressure to advance the shoe into the slack side of the timing chain. Just wondering if the U20 is the same...
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by 2mAn » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:48 pm

I ended up with a new oil filter that would work with U20, maybe R16 without the tube. Anyone need it just PM me and just cover the shipping and I will send it ($5?)
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by JT68 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:47 pm

TurboRagtop wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:07 pm
Dumb question from a guy who has never taken apart a U20:
Does the timing chain use a hydraulic tensioner, or is it strictly a spring-loaded deal?
I remember from (decades ago) working on the L16 that it had a spring-loaded plunger attached to the tensioner shoe, but also used engine oil pressure to advance the shoe into the slack side of the timing chain. Just wondering if the U20 is the same...
Correct. A little spring that doesn't do much, dominatly actuated by pressure. 2 tensioners though.
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by sports imports » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:59 pm

I Have factory new Nissan tubes in stock $10 each or 3 for $25 plus shipping

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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by JT68 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:12 pm

There you go..at 10 bucks, why would you not use it? Clearly the engineers at Nissan thought it was a good idea.
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by Gregs672000 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:29 am

Agreed! Think I got mine from Ross years ago!
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by Curtis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:58 am

There's nothing like pulling off a filter and going, dammit, where's the tube? Sins of previous owners.
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by Nissanman » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:16 am

As I mentioned before, ALL of those components need to be present and correct.



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For example, if P/N 8 is missing, as it was in my engine, the filter does diddly squat because the oil doesn't follow the right path inside the housing.
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by sunbeam590 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:04 pm

When I got my car it never had the Tube, and back then everyone was going on about the need for it well I finally found a correct pic of said tube , made one up and fitted it, the pic of the one posted is not quite correct, it has an angled cut and approx one third of the top is covered, but it still drains back after one day sitting idle, if my car sits for a week or so I crank the motor over till I get pressure before starting it..at least makes me feel better about it, been like it for 15yrs now...
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Re: Anti-Drain tube back necessity

Post by Curtis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:09 pm

sunbeam590 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:04 pm
When I got my car it never had the Tube, and back then everyone was going on about the need for it well I finally found a correct pic of said tube , made one up and fitted it, the pic of the one posted is not quite correct, it has an angled cut and approx one third of the top is covered, but it still drains back after one day sitting idle, if my car sits for a week or so I crank the motor over till I get pressure before starting it..at least makes me feel better about it, been like it for 15yrs now...
They came in more than one version I believe. The one I have came out of an early roadster and I think they are the same in my other ones.
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