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Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Hopefully I have an easy question: Installing the hard lines on my daughters car, and having an issue where the main line that runs under the body connects to the hard line that goes over the rear axle. Both ends are bell ends. They thread into each other and look good, but bell on bell can't be right, right? That, and I tried it anyways and cannot get anything like a seal. Am I missing a compression adaptor or something? I looked on my sample car and don't see anything missing, but something is not right.
Any ideas?

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by ppeters914 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:49 pm

If this is what you're referring to:
P1080048 (Medium).jpeg
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There's a stupid (and there's no other word for it) ferrule that some genius decided was needed to seal the hard lines instead of just standard flared joints. Piece is unobtainium except from another car.

Brainbucket here (aka me) has misplaced both the original *AND* the one from my parts car.
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Re: Brake line connection

Post by spl310 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:50 pm

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Anybody have a pic of the piece? In theory, and if it has not been swept up, it exists somewhere in my shop. Maybe I have seen it and did not know it.

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by C.Costine » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:48 am

Copper nickel brake line is very easy to work with, making replacement of the whole line a fairly easy job. It even comes with new spring cover. This is also very good for your peace of mind.
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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:33 pm

Dagnabit. I can't find that ferrule. Surely someone must know of a part number cross or something? I am one fitting away from working brakes!!!

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by ppeters914 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:46 pm

C.Costine wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:48 am
Copper nickel brake line is very easy to work with, making replacement of the whole line a fairly easy job. It even comes with new spring cover. This is also very good for your peace of mind.
I splurged on stainless lines from Classic Tube. 8)
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I have a spare in the garage
Thanks, Sid. Will hit you up if brn2rde doesn't first. Gonna try my local peeps first.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:33 pm
Dagnabit. I can't find that ferrule. Surely someone must know of a part number cross or something? I am one fitting away from working brakes!!!
That's the frustrating part (pun intended). It's not shown or listed on any parts resource. :smt013
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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:47 pm

Is this what I am looking for? Need something to go on to move forward. thanks!

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Nevermind. Still looking....

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by fj20spl311 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:15 am

I believe this is closer to what you are looking to find.

Russell Brake Adapter Fittings 641291

This is an AN-3 fitting, so I believe you need to change the angle where the flare seats. I have spun them in a drill press and used a file.


inverted flare to AN 3.jpg
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Re: Brake line connection

Post by notoptoy » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:10 am

What you are looking for is a tiny barrel shaped brass Ferrule, apparently the original factory design was to have it instantly disappear the second it is disassembled. There is no replacement on earth available from any vendor. There is no part number there is no second source there is no substitute. Your only hope is to get one from another Roadster or Roadster owner or to replace the lines. Which is what many have done including myself. This ferrule is about a quarter inch long. It is designed to fall into any available crack never to be seen again. It is a very clever design, apparently to foil anybody that is not a Roadster brake ferrule expert. The only Roadster brake Ferrule experts in the world are all of the ones who have lost this Ferrule. The experts are never available when a non-expert attacks the brakes. We are all very good at warning you after the fact, and have posted about this many, many times. On the plus side A new expert is created quite often. As far as pictures, they are as elusive as a yeti. Very difficult to photograph something designed to disappear. Some engineer at Nissan is laughing his butt off to this day. Cruel SOB.
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Re: Brake line connection

Post by jhayden » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:18 am

Much of the best humour has a strong factual component. Case in point. :smt023

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:23 am

Found the pic, but not the item.....at least I now know what I am looking for. Wondering if I can't spin one up on the drill press....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15875&p=251846&hili ... le#p251846

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by brn2rde » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:39 am

brn2rde wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:23 am
Found the pic, but not the item.....at least I now know what I am looking for. Wondering if I can't spin one up on the drill press....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15875&p=251846&hili ... le#p251846
Also wondering if this will work...
https://www.amazon.com/LTWFITTING-Compr ... 07dff78049

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Re: Brake line connection

Post by notoptoy » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:47 am

brn2rde wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:39 am
brn2rde wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:23 am
Found the pic, but not the item.....at least I now know what I am looking for. Wondering if I can't spin one up on the drill press....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15875&p=251846&hili ... le#p251846
Also wondering if this will work...
https://www.amazon.com/LTWFITTING-Compr ... 07dff78049
Those look pretty close, however, I am pretty sure the lines are 3/16", not 1/8.
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