Improve stock steering

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Improve stock steering

Post by silvertiger » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:22 am

Looking for suggestions on how to improve steering feel? I'm keeping the stock box and linkage but like to find a better solution.

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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by akahny » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:26 am

What are you looking to improve about it? Is it lose or sloppy? Or are you trying to go for more of a power steering feel?
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by Alvin » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:55 am

find a way to adapt a rack and pinion:
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by spl310 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:16 pm

If you are keeping the stock box and linkage, I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by fj20spl311 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:23 pm

Use a Pinto lower ball joint with a bracket to adapt them to your A arm and move the ball joint forward (Caster) and outward (Camber). IIRC its ~ 0.5" per degree.
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by redroadster » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:09 pm

what rims and tires ?
this always helps ...see pic
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by FergO2k » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:05 pm

Yep, as Phil the geometry expert said, try a few alignment settings and even swap front wheels with a friend to try different tire sizes before making major equipment changes. Very small adjustments can change the feel dramatically.
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by GeoffM » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:46 pm

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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by greydog » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:57 pm

Not sure what you mean by "feel".
If you keep the stock steering box and linkage, wheel size/width is the only other variable other than tire pressure.
A smaller steering wheel may help, larger wheels with lower prifile tires.

What, specifically, are you looking for?
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by dbrick » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:10 pm

Apparently Geoff is still a bit fuzzy on what he's asking.

Seriously, if it's a late steering box 69.5 or 70, better oil and synthetic grease everything, if it's an early box, really can't get much better than it left the factory unless you update to a late box. Rack and pinion is cool, except for that pesky engine being in the way.

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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by nismou20 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:14 pm

Be aware tire tread design, and width make differences. Stickier tires make more contact with the road and generally require more steering effort. 185 tires will require less effort than 195s.

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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by silvertiger » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:36 pm

Thank you for the laughs.

Ok Feel= more response to input/feed back. less rubbery numb feel

Would like to replace any form of ball joint.This stems from driving Porsches and way to must seat time in karts. Tire/rim choice...225/45x15
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by fj20spl311 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:32 am

Use a (edit: Screw in) Pinto lower ball joint with a bracket to adapt them to your A arm and move the ball joint forward (Caster) and outward (Camber). IIRC its ~ 0.5" per degree. edit: Set the camber according to the tire manufacture suggestion, Caster until your arm hurt.....LOL
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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by spyder » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:58 am

I was never happy with the way my car felt stability wise. I had replaced A arm bushings, installed stiffer springs, replaced ball joints, big fat sticky tires, replaces anti sway bar and used the urethane bushings. Than I got a coupon in the mail, (ME, Mr. cheapo who can fix anything :mrgreen: ) for an alignment at my local Firestone. They had a hard time getting it on to their alignment rack, kept stalling it. Wouldn't let me drive it up there, insurance issues ya know. I pulled the choke to keep the revs up and success. The guy took (2) two hours to do it. I asked, "Does he normally take this long"? No was the answer. He said he had a hard time getting his big ole hands in there. A local legend known for excellent work.

After the alignment with the aggressive specs, It felt like a different car. Is your car aligned correctly?

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Re: Improve stock steering

Post by SLOroadster » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:23 pm

Getting a set of 225/45/15s under the rear fenders might take a little work. I run 225/50/14s on my car and those took a lot of creativity to make fit. I wouldn't worry about replacing the ball joints just because they are ball joints. They work fine (assuming they are in good working order.) I think the rubbery/numb feeling is more due to alignment settings. A well setup roadster is the most tactile car I have ever driven. (I've driven a fair amount of Porsches, Lotus, BMWs ect.) I can't think of a more directly connected steering feel on any car. That said, it really takes a good set of race tires to bring it out. Street tires with a stiff sidewall will do it as well.

What is your suspension setup? If you are running stock springs, swaybar, and KYB dampers, that could be an issue right there.

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