Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Tech tips and how to's

Moderators: notoptoy, S Allen, Solex68

Fish 311

Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by Fish 311 »

Just curious if this is worth the hassle to put in.

Gregg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Crank-Sc ... enameZWDVW
User avatar
SLOroadster
Roadsteraholic
Posts: 5361
Joined: Sun Dec 08, 2002 2:53 am
Location: Napa Ca

Post by SLOroadster »

I think Sid had something to do with the design. I'd be tempted to try but I don't want to open the engine up at this time. My crank is knife edged so I don't know what it would do for me anyway.

Will
Sorry, I find modern engine swaps revolting. Keep your G, R, or U series in your Roadster!
User avatar
Nissanman
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 3452
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Model: 1500/1600
Year: Low Windshield-64-67.5
Contact:

Post by Nissanman »

I purchased a couple of these, one for a VG30 and one for the G15 engine in my SP310.
They are very well made but I found I had to profile some edges to gain enough clearance to the rotating bits.
Can't comment of how many horsepower they save but not bad at all for the price :)
https://nissanman.shutterfly.com/393
You can see the white marker pen where the crank was scraping on the crank scraper :roll:
https://nissanman.shutterfly.com/393#394
Fit is excellent and quality is great. Just a wee bit too close in some areas :?
I bonded the scraper to the engine block with a smear of gasket sealant then used non hardening sealant between the sump gasket and the scraper.
Should be worth a HEAP of horsepower 8) 8)
Last edited by Nissanman on Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:40 am, edited 2 times in total.
Nissanman, just trying to help.
1965 SP310 Engine No. G-93326 Car No. SP310-10817
https://photos.shutterfly.com/album/60141836519
On the road again!
User avatar
Linda
Fraternal Den Mother-RIP
Posts: 7807
Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:37 pm
Location: Los Angeles
Model: 1500/1600
Year: High Windshield-68-70

Post by Linda »

What if the scraper moved or there was a jolt and it hit the crank? Is that an issue? I don't know anything about these (no surprise) so more info is appreciated. Do other cars use this part? What about racers?
TIA
Linda
Sadly-Linda has passed away 2022. She was the 311's den mother and drove the first Rare-Parts ball joint project. RIP.
User avatar
Nissanman
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 3452
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Model: 1500/1600
Year: Low Windshield-64-67.5
Contact:

Post by Nissanman »

That is why I bonded the scraper to the block, so there was no likelihood of it shifting. The sump holes are high tolerance and well placed so it can't go far.
Once it was all fastened down there was no scraping noises so I figure, job done!

Crank scrapers have been used in high performance engines for a long time.
There is also "new" technology for race engines called a vacuum pump.
The engine crankcase is evacuated of vapour and pressure by some sort of vacuum system.
https://www.vpw.com.au/automotive/oil-s ... cessories/
Hardly necessary for your average driver but mentioned for interest sake :wink:
Last edited by Nissanman on Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Nissanman, just trying to help.
1965 SP310 Engine No. G-93326 Car No. SP310-10817
https://photos.shutterfly.com/album/60141836519
On the road again!
SAKEPWR

Post by SAKEPWR »

I haven't had any experience with taht particualr scraper, but it did remind me of what I went through with the Nismo scraper. I thought it should bolt right in, but few things are ever that easy. So here is what I did to check the clearances with it.

Sorry for not posting the images inline, but some of them are very large and I haven't gotten around to resizing them.

First, I made a template of where the rod cap and counterweight went by tracing their movement to a piece of posterboard.

Big End Profile]

I transferred that pattern to a "negative image", allowing for the thickness of the pan gasket. This template represents the space that the rod cap and counterweight move through.

Pattern Transfer

Then I moved that pattern back and forth across the pan to see if everything would clear. It did on the scraper sections-

Good Clearance

But the raised lip around the oil pump opening had a major problem.

Bad Clearance

I trimmed off some ot the lip and it worked fine.
User avatar
spl310
Roadster Guru
Posts: 13241
Joined: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:38 pm
Location: In front of this keyboard... in Jacksonville, Florida!

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by spl310 »

I have a couple of these crank scrapers. One for a 1500 and one for a 2000. Are they worth installing? What kinds of performance gains are you seeing?
"Wow, a Roadster!" Stuart Little

1967.5 2000
1967.5 2000
1964 1500
1964 1500
1967.5 1600
1968 chassis
2006 Acura MDX
2013 Volkswagen Jetta TDI wagon
1995 F350 Powerstroke!
More...
User avatar
Alvin
Roadster Nut-Site Supporter
Posts: 8381
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:01 pm

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by Alvin »

is that Gordon?
Alvin Gogineni
San Jose, CA
1967.5 SPL/SR20
1997 Acura Integra GS-R
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV
zcarblog.com
Instagram
YouTube
My SR20 Build Thread
User avatar
ppeters914
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 3125
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:51 pm
Location: Lake Forest Park, WA (just north of Seattle)
Model: 1500/1600
Year: Low Windshield-64-67.5

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by ppeters914 »

Alvin wrote:is that Gordon?
Yup.
Pete
-------------------------------------
'67 1600 - frame off started in 2014. Now I know why roadster projects take so long. What a stupid idea. :smt021
'66 1600 - parts car
'66 WPL411 ***SOLD***
A couple of Porsches, a RAV4 Hybrid, and a motorcycle
ttyR2
Roadster Fanatic
Posts: 386
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:58 pm
Location: Athena, OR
Contact:

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by ttyR2 »

On these size engines, i'd think you would see more of a reduction in oil temp from not whipping the oil around as much vs. any real HP savings.
Jeremy

1964 Datsun 1500 SPL310
now sporting a '67 R-16 and 5-speed
Daryl Smith
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 1682
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:53 pm
Location: Not Here
Model: 1500/1600
Year: Low Windshield-64-67.5

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by Daryl Smith »

Thread revival....
Anyone use these crank oil scrapers?
http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Datsun-Ni ... DSTER.html
C.Costine
Roadster Nut-Site Supporter
Posts: 1737
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:08 pm

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by C.Costine »

I could be totally wrong but my recollection is that whipped up oil is the main reason that you don't run your oil level over the full mark, and that with it at the proper level that you would get very little whipping.
located in Chester NH
1967 1600 in restoration
2013 Arctic Cat F-1100 turbo
Ford F-350 6.0
Ford 9000 puller, Ford 960 puller, Ford 901show, Ford 971 worker, Oliver 70 waiting its turn
User avatar
redroadster
Roadsteraholic
Posts: 2624
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:58 am
Location: KCMO
Model: 1500/1600
Year: High Windshield-68-70

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by redroadster »

Like a windage tray
Maybe for a round n round left turn racer it throws the oil to the right
Japanese engineers are all over anything that gets more hp cheaply ,if it gave3- 5 more hp , and had no down side
)They get promoted / keep their jobs that way)
it would be on cars already
The plastic that scraps the rods loosing granuals getting in the oil system and in the bearings ? Crank oil is unfiltered
Last edited by redroadster on Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Datsun dealer tech 76 to 87
Mitsubishi tech 9 yrs
Volvo, Kia, Toyota too
6 month - Rolls Royce
ASE MASTER TECH 96. - 11
70 SPL 86 Z31 T , Sportster
Daryl Smith
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 1682
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:53 pm
Location: Not Here
Model: 1500/1600
Year: Low Windshield-64-67.5

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by Daryl Smith »

User avatar
Gregs672000
Roadster Fanatic-Site Supporter
Posts: 9428
Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:47 pm
Location: Tacoma, WA

Re: Has anyone tried this scraper in your engine?

Post by Gregs672000 »

Interesting and a reasonable price. It's likely that I'll be pulling the motor again before spring to fix the damn rear main seal so I may install one while I'm in there.
Greg Burrows
'67 2000 #588
Tacoma, WA
Post Reply