'67 1600 Roadster "Ginger" / "Akage"

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I'm not positive how long it's been sitting to be honest. Previous owner put in an electric fuel pump as well, with an inline filter. I will try looking in the tank though.

Got an email from PO, sounds like the dash just needs the speedometer hooked up (Classic Instruments gauges, sending unit hasn't been installed/wired) and the ignition to be mostly finished (only gauge he hadn't bought replacement for yet was the clock) and re-installed.

Yeah, I like the 2zzge in the Celica. I don't push it real hard usually, but it's fun to hit lift every once in awhile. :) It was actually a tough decision whether to buy a "project" car or put some money into the GTS. But, it's less stressful working on a car that doesn't "need" to be driven! I've had around 10 Celicas over the years...including a few All-Tracs, with the 3sgte. Tough, fun engine.
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leonhart wrote:I'm not positive how long it's been sitting to be honest. Previous owner put in an electric fuel pump as well, with an inline filter. I will try looking in the tank though.

Got an email from PO, sounds like the dash just needs the speedometer hooked up (Classic Instruments gauges, sending unit hasn't been installed/wired) and the ignition to be mostly finished (only gauge he hadn't bought replacement for yet was the clock) and re-installed.

Yeah, I like the 2zzge in the Celica. I don't push it real hard usually, but it's fun to hit lift every once in awhile. :) It was actually a tough decision whether to buy a "project" car or put some money into the GTS. But, it's less stressful working on a car that doesn't "need" to be driven! I've had around 10 Celicas over the years...including a few All-Tracs, with the 3sgte. Tough, fun engine.
The electric makes it easy to pump out the tank if you're not sure of the fuel, assuming the pump is in a good place. I have a cheaper "Mr Gasket" inline one, mounted on the frame rail just in front of the passenger rear wheel. You want the pumps fairly close to the tank as they are not designed to pull but to push. Dave Premo told me of a nice Nissan version that is quiet compared to these things, I think it was an auxilary pump for 280zx or pick up trucks, not sure... if interested post to him.

Yes, hitting lift in the Celica is fun but short lived... it converts itself into a motorcycle engine! As you may know, the early versions (2000, 2001) had a recall or service deal that had something to do with actuation of the high lift cam lobes from oil pressure. Mine had been done, but otherwise they don't work right.
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As far as the carb linkage "dog bone" goes...replacements don't seem overly common. I see in the tech wiki that there is a DIY for building one. However, on the parts needed it just says "Length M5 x .080 Threaded Rod" - but not how long it needs to be, and I don't have anything to reference. Tried searching on here in case there was a thread, but I didn't find anything.

Anyone have info on that, or can measure the stock linkage so I know the approximate length to look for? I suppose I can just measure between where it would be connected and get an idea. Just thought I'd ask!
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Pretty sure someone will have a used one or two, but I do believe I saw a vender selling new ones at some point recently.
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Going from memory, the dog bone repros I put together were about 2.25" long... But if you have an existing one, and order the parts, you can easily cut to length to match. Ross (Sports Imports)may have a couple of the repros and I think Stan bought a few extras too...
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I have a complete R16 induction setup. Buy the dog bones and get the rest for free!
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leonhart wrote:Thanks for all the tips!

I was under the car a little yesterday and knocked on the gas tank, and it sounds very empty. Is there still possibly enough fuel in it to cause issues if it gets plenty of fresh before starting?
It is very easy to look in the tank from the top in order to assess it. Just remove the access cover in the trunk, then the round plate for the sending unit unscrews.
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OK guys (and gals) just going to post an update, not that much has been going on.

I mean, since I last posted (forever ago), I have replaced the dog bones, wired up some stuff, somewhat attached the dash (though the speedometer is still not hooked up – will probably go GPS on that after it's running), seats are attached (but no belts), bought a hardtop (I believe the type of Alvin's) that needs all weatherstripping (and painted, but so does the rest of the car), bought a throttle cable (though I'm honestly not positive how it is supposed to attach, need to look into that), put in a nice shiny Nissan oil cap, got a vintage 1967 Indiana license plate, and probably a few other things.

Here's the thing though. I can't find the steering wheel nut anywhere (the one that actually attaches the steering wheel). This is obviously important, so I've been trying to source it before bothering to do the things I need to do before attempting fire it up (a few wiring things, draining tank, changing fluids/priming engine).

I have tried buying aftermarket nuts of sizes I've seen posted as being the sizes used in Roadsters (5/8-18, M16x1.5). Those don't thread on. I've contacted at least 4 site vendors, heard back from 3 of them, asked for info on other parts from them as well...and they disappear on me. I've tried (in my mind at least) to be easy to work with, so I don't think I'm being unreasonable about anything. One of the few vendors I haven't yet tried, well – I haven't tried because in their site order policies, etc...they make it sound like a huge inconvenience to order from them. And like if I don't manage to place my order perfectly, it will cost me dearly (this on top of the fact that shipping to Indiana is going to cost me a good $35+ minimum).

Is this just how life is with Roadsters (ie less common older cars)? Or am I just having unfortunate experiences? When I bought dog bones from Ross, it was a nice quick pleasant experience (unfortunately he must not have the nut). But either I'm not communicating well with the others, or something. I had a poster with a '69 2000 who had a nut available...but I've read that the nut was changed on the later collapsible columns, so if that's accurate, it wouldn't do me any good and I'd be wasting more money on a NUT (I've spent a good $20 so far on nuts that don't fit – not that $20 is a fortune, but still).

It's kind of discouraging and making it hard to have any motivation to work on this car, having that much trouble for such a small (seemingly easy) part/fix. I have been starting to consider just selling it off, but I hate to give up on it. I'm sure I'd really enjoy it when running. Just seems far in the distance if I can't even accomplish something simple.

I suppose the answer is just to pay $40 the next time one is on ebay and get over the fact that I'd be paying $40 (more) for a $2 nut, and stop complaining...

Sorry for the long, pointless rant.

EDIT: Here's an old picture from around this time.
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It's easy to get discouraged from time to time, hang in there. I do think you have had a few bad experiences and that response from vendors is usually very good. Did you post in classified wanted here? I'll bet you get a pretty quick response.
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Thanks, yeah - I put a post in Classifieds Wanted, had a few responses mostly directing me to a few vendors, and also to some eBay sellers. I probably should look into the eBay guys since the others haven't work out so far. I did get a response this evening, unfortunately I must have made it sound like I had another source for the nut, and the part got trashed. I had mentioned I was waiting to hear back from someone else (I had emailed both at the same time, figured I would wait to hear from the other guy), and asked for prices on additional items the seller had mentioned (figured I could try bundling for shipping) and didn't hear anything for nearly a month. Again...I guess I miscommunicated and he must've figured I wasn't interested.

Been a rough year in general, so I guess it's just rubbing off on my attitude towards the car. Hopefully I'll plow through and get something done one of these days! Nothing worthwhile comes easy, or something like that.
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If you know the size, McMaster-Carr has all kinds of fasteners. Also Metric Specialties has lots of metric fasteners. The best would be getting a trial fit from another roadster owner, anyone in your area?
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Typed something up this morning, but must have forgotten to post.

Doesn't matter though. Heard from Ross today (with a very quick reply! sounds like he replied long ago as well, but stupid hotmail must have blocked it). Sounds like he has some on hand both old & new. Hopefully that will put an end to this search!
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leonhart wrote:Typed something up this morning, but must have forgotten to post.

Doesn't matter though. Heard from Ross today (with a very quick reply! sounds like he replied long ago as well, but stupid hotmail must have blocked it). Sounds like he has some on hand both old & new. Hopefully that will put an end to this search!
Ross is a great guy and willing to help, so I'm sure this will get resolved.
We have almost the same car choices except that mine is a 2000. I recently had to throw $300 at the Celica to replace the injectors and coil packs as she was not a happy car anymore, threatening to leave me on the side of the road (but in true Celica fashion, only threatening and not doing so). The new injectors seem to have solved the problem (tried cleaning them without success) but given the miles I also have a new cam sensor and crank angle sensor to be installed. She's pushing 275,000 miles, so one cannot complain!
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Yep, Ross has been back & forth with me multiple times today. He's been quick to respond and get me what I need. Especially after switching to my gmail address instead of hotmail. It's probably safe to say some of my issues with the other sellers may have been related to the general crappiness of hotmail.

Anyway, yeah - I've loved my Celicas (well, my 94 ST wasn't my favorite, but otherwise). Sounds like yours is doing pretty well for the mileage! Mine's a little over 190k, overall going strong (knock on wood) other than a little bit of a puddle that collects on the garage floor (pretty sure my timing cover gasket is in need of replacement). Really hope to own a 1st gen one day. And a 3rd gen. And maybe another 4th gen. LOL.
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spl310 wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:14 pm I think that you may rename the car from Ginger to Weasley. After all, these cars are somewhat magical...
Just realized I never replied to you: I think this would be a great way to get my wife more interested in the project! She is a big HP fan! Need to spend more money on the Datsun? "But honey, it's for one of the (many) Weasleys!" Then I'm good to spend away... :mrgreen:


For the sake of posting an update - first off, I got that steering wheel nut a good while ago from Ross. It turns out it is indeed a 5/8-18. After I got the nut from Ross and it didn't start threading on either, I figured I must have some crummy threads, though they looked decent from what I could see. So I bought a 5/8-18 bolt to confirm. The nut fit perfectly. So I bought a die to clean the threads. That should take care of that. But I am missing a few bits to be able to install the wheel properly (collar retaining clip, and the horn rubber "spring" at the very least).

My brother came over last week with plans to work on the car and see how far we could get. Unfortunately his allergies kept us away from the car almost the whole weekend. But we did get a good bit of Mario Kart in...so not all was lost. Also installed the new (used) throttle cable.

I bought a speedometer cable & 90 degree adapter off of ebay to hopefully get the hookup set to the Classic Instruments sending unit. The unit requires some customization to be driven by the adapter (involving using a tip off the old speedometer...I bought a new donor speedo cable for this from RockAuto for a Datsun truck, as I just need the very end which is the same). Unfortunately I didn't realize that the 90 degree adapter was supposed to have a pin key for between it and the gearbox...so I need to order a speedometer pin to get all that hooked up properly.

I will probably order both that pin and parts for the steering wheel later this week. Most likely I'll add some weatherstripping and other various parts to make these small parts worth the shipping cost I'm bound to pay a vendor. Maybe a rear differential gasket/seal, as I have some leakage back there. I'm also going to go ahead and order the missing Classic Instruments Clock for the dash, so I don't have to remove the dash later to install it.

Earlier this week I started putting wires into plastic looms to 1) get things cleaned up a bit 2) force myself to trace wires and see what all needs connected up. Hopefully I'll work on that some more this afternoon.

This morning I went out and pulled the spark plugs (all black with carbon - I'd say it was running rich) and tried turning the engine over by hand. And thankfully, it did indeed turn. Believe it or not, this was the first I had tried in the two plus years since buying it. I had just been going under assumption from what the PO told me that it would turn over, but glad to confirm that it isn't seized!

I guess that's about all for now!

EDIT: Some crummy old pictures from around this time.
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