"I'm Not a Car Guy." - A 1967.5 1600 Refurb Saga

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Gregs672000 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:44 pm I'm happy to send better pics. It really looks factory.
Thanks, Greg... If that's not a problem, that would be great. And Zero hurry...

I actually had only a bit of time today for the car, and on closer inspection, the frame finish is a little 'hammered', but I couldn't find a very close color match for the frame paint, so I'm now debating silver hammered to match the seatbelt buckle finish, or the 'dull aluminum' finish...

But first - I need to figure out how to remove the foam and vinyl from the frames... does anyone here know how? I took the two screws out obviously, but nothing is budging. Are they supposed to slide off the top? Or do I 'pry' the flat back off and then release everything somehow?

Any tips?

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The metal cover is wedged in by the vinyl...pry with something small and carefully if your saving the vinyl. Once that plate is off you simply bend up the sharp tabs holding the headrest cover on (the covers have a metal wire that the tabs secure). I have some photos on my Jan 21 page. The foam is glued to the metal frame. I was worried about what Greg mentioned so I modified one of my sets so I can see what works the best.

Right set is shortened and modified forward.

[img2]http://www.mydatsun.com/5.%20Headrest%2 ... 0small.jpg[/img2]

Sloped forward.

[img2]http://www.mydatsun.com/6.%20Headset%20 ... 0small.jpg[/img2]

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I'll post now or I'll forget... it's a pretty significant change in the angle. The seatback is pretty close to vertical and you can see how much more forward the headrest is. I measured the distance between the very top of the back of the headrest and a straight edge on the tubing and the distance is 3 and 3/4 inches. I'll see if my wife can find the protractor so I can get an actual angle, but I'm guessing about 45 degrees. If they were not like this I would not be able to use the rollbar or the thick padding on it, or the seat would be way far forward. I'm only 5'6" but I need every bit of travel with this particular rollbar.
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bmccarthy67 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:33 pm The metal cover is wedged in by the vinyl...pry with something small and carefully if your saving the vinyl. Once that plate is off you simply bend up the sharp tabs holding the headrest cover on (the covers have a metal wire that the tabs secure). I have some photos on my Jan 21 page. The foam is glued to the metal frame. I was worried about what Greg mentioned so I modified one of my sets so I can see what works the best.

Right set is shortened and modified forward.

[img2]http://www.mydatsun.com/5.%20Headrest%2 ... 0small.jpg[/img2]

Sloped forward.

[img2]http://www.mydatsun.com/6.%20Headset%20 ... 0small.jpg[/img2]

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Gregs672000 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:28 am I'll post now or I'll forget... it's a pretty significant change in the angle. The seatback is pretty close to vertical and you can see how much more forward the headrest is. I measured the distance between the very top of the back of the headrest and a straight edge on the tubing and the distance is 3 and 3/4 inches. I'll see if my wife can find the protractor so I can get an actual angle, but I'm guessing about 45 degrees. If they were not like this I would not be able to use the rollbar or the thick padding on it, or the seat would be way far forward. I'm only 5'6" but I need every bit of travel with this particular rollbar.
Thanks guys, this is a huge help.

Buddy, that is perfect! I thought that seeing the actual guts of these things would be too much to hope for, so seeing your photos is a giant and helpful surprise. The headrests are more substantial than I thought.

How did you decide on height/angle numbers for your experiment? And of course, when you've had a chance to decide on height/angle, I'd be interested to hear.

And... I just did a bit of a dive into your site and Wow! it's awesome. I love the work you're doing and seeing the detail of the steps.

Greg, thanks for the finished pics and measurements, it's a nice pro job like you said. Just by looks, I'd think it was too angled, but I trust you and anticipate doing something similar, as I like to sit up pretty straight.

You two guys have changed my plans, and likely saved me some effort and probably regrets, so Thank you!

I'm now going to wait to refinish the frames until I get these in my car and I can actually sit down and come up with angle/height mods that work best for me, and refinish them after that's all sorted.

Thanks again, invaluable stuff!
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Just to be clear, the seatback was moved forward to a vertiical postion so you could see how much forward the headrest was... the seat doesn't normally sit like that! See previous pics!
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Gregs672000 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:26 pm Just to be clear, the seatback was moved forward to a vertiical postion so you could see how much forward the headrest was... the seat doesn't normally sit like that! See previous pics!
I'll probably shoot for something like this... :lol:


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Wow, where did you find that! Ha!
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Gregs672000 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:02 pm Wow, where did you find that! Ha!
There may have been a little photoshop involved... :roll:
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I'm only human.

I've been ogling over these super-human restoration projects that @spriso, @funkaholic, @pjackb, and others are sharing.

And just for contrast I thought it might be a good idea to showcase something a mere mortal wastes waaaaaay too much time messing with.

Behold my washer bag project —

A dirty bag with a dirty rusted pump.

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I first dismantled the pump, and it was not pretty. Should have done some online searches right then and there, because you can get a replacement for far few dollars less than the number of hours I spent on this project.

But at the time, I was searching for something to do on the car, and I'm stubborn and determined if nothing else, so I kept after it.

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Before I went crazy on it, I posted the question of how to test the washer bag pump safely.

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@nissanman was a huge help. I first learned everything there is to know about electricity, and then cobbled together some Rube Goldberg looking connections using the parts @nissanman recommended, some wires, electrical tape, alligator clips, and an old charger - which I immediately fried…¦

So I found another charger and was able to consistently get the right voltage.

I put power to the leads and at first —nothing. Cleaned it some more. Supply power - and, whoah - did that thing budge? More cleaning (I bought 2 electrical cleaning sprays).

Power. It turned! Then stopped. And it went on like that. Turn, stop, etc. Not at all consistent, but it did show signs of life.

I figured this thing was good to go, so I cleaned it all up the best I could, and actually got the thing to be able to turn okay, but it was still pretty darn 'sticky'.

Then sometime during all the connecting and disconnecting, and trying not to shock myself a second time, I snapped off one of the tabs that feeds the power through the plastic housing to the brushes. Aaargh.

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So, I went and bought a soldering kit. I am so dumb.

Anyway, I actually successfully melted the broken tab into the plastic and soldered an ugly, but operable connection!

I was so excited, I cracked a Foster Beer to honor our Aussie friend @nissanman! By the way, the green Fosters is a lot better than the blue - I didn't even know it existed until this.

Powered it up again. Meh. It would still turn, but I actually had to give it a 'jump start' by twisting the spindle to get it going. Then it would just die.

I finally admitted to myself that the bushing/bearing thing the spindle goes through to drive the water pusher was just so corroded it was all gummed up. And that's irreparable. This thing's a goner.

That's when I looked on eBay and found one for $20. Keep in mind I've already spent much more than that, not to mention the time.

The eBay one had one broken outlet/inlet tube. But, so did my original… and they might just marry up. I was assured the motor was strong, so I went for it thinking that I'll get one good pump out of the two.

Sure enough, the pump came, it hummed like a champ. So, I took the nicest screws, the gasket, and water pusher from my old one and put that on the new one.

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Then the real gory stuff happened.

I had to do a transplant of the good water tube from my old one to the new one.

I assembled a crack team of surgeons (me) and proceeded to amputate and extract the good water tube from the old pump.

I put that on ice while I prepped the recipient.

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I then amputated the stump of a water tube from the new one.

I Dremeled a cone-shaped hole into the new pump and then shaped the donor tube to fit the cone hole. Gorilla glue. And Voila!

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A successful and colossal waste of time.

And now, I will put it in the little pouch in the water pouch and no one will ever see it.

Brilliant use of time.

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Oh, and I cleaned up the bag. It came pretty clean. Soap and water and one of those Magic Erasers did the trick.

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Next up - similarly incremental time suck progress.
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Maybe a waste of time, but strangely rewarding, no?
"When all else fails, force prevails!" Ummm, we're gonna need a bigger hammer here.

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Comparing the last photo to the first one proves that it was not a waste of time at all. Everytime you use the washers, you will remember that you fixed it yourself.

Plus, you learned about a new beer! That sounds like time well spent...
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notoptoy wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:54 pm Maybe a waste of time, but strangely rewarding, no?
funkaholik wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:24 am Comparing the last photo to the first one proves that it was not a waste of time at all. Everytime you use the washers, you will remember that you fixed it yourself.

Plus, you learned about a new beer! That sounds like time well spent...
Okay, maybe calling it a 'colossal waste of time' was a bit whiny drama queen self-pity...

I'm a bit frustrated lately that circumstances are keeping me from flying up to work on my car. It's been over 4 months!!! And seeing all of these beautiful restorations just makes me want to go even more... so, I was kinda making fun of myself for spending so much time on such a little, easily replaced, never seen part.

So @notoptoy yes, strangely rewarding for sure!

And @funkaholic - you clearly see the forest through the trees - it really is about the beer!!!

Cheers!
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When do you (or your brother) get to pick up your engine from Rebello? That will be a monumentally good use of time...and beer.
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funkaholik wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:20 pm When do you (or your brother) get to pick up your engine from Rebello? That will be a monumentally good use of time...and beer.
Well, I've had to reschedule for the 4th time, and am now scheduled to head up next week... but... our current situation is day by day, so that may change things.

I'll reach out when schedule is more firm... as I know you're just angling for me to start paying off some of those many beers I owe you. :lol:
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