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hard brake line doesnt seem to seal/tighten

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Hi, trying to finish up a few things before I put my body back on the frame tomorrow.

Current issue. My hard brakeline connection by the rear tire that goes along the frame does not appear to be able to seal or clamp the two lines together. If I tighten it all the way, I can still move my brake lines a bit where the two join. Am I missing a connector piece between these two to help lock it down? The large round piece fits in a frame bracket and has a clip to keep it in place and the other line screws into it. Any ideas? Thanks.
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I had a problem with this area as well - here are my thoughts:
1) Thread mismatch on the two fittings, so that they are not seating all the way
2) The inside of the female piece is damaged - look at the mating flare - any old piece remaining?
3) There is a small brass ferrule that may be missing - this is the case with the rear most connection, no so sure on the front.

I ended up replacing all my lines, and these connectors due to the missing ferrule in the back. I used new connectors and then secured the new set-up to the exisitng frame bracket.
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Thanks for the advise. I removed the two sections of brake lines for a better look and the threads look fine. It looks like it is missing the brass ferrule you mentioned. Not sure what it should look like but I will go to the hardware store and see what they have. I need to sor this out before I put the body on. Thanks.
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Michael:
That brass ferrule looks sort of like these, I could not find one that fit locally and that is why I replaced them. These are NOT them, but it is similar looking.
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Wow, I guess I lost it too. I don't recall seeing anything like that when I pulled apart. Anyone have one lying around that I can use? :)
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I ended up replacing the line with the large female nut with a standard brake line and connected them together with a standard female/female bushing.

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GeoffM wrote:I ended up replacing the line with the large female nut with a standard brake line and connected them together with a standard female/female bushing.

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The only problem is that you can't use the clip that retains the large nut to the bracket. I found it was rigid enough without it.
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^ This is what I did as well - could not find a suitable replacement for that ferrule - I even had mine to match it up - but it was chewed up from improper installation
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The ferule is unique and you cannot find a replacement. Nissan does not have it either. Ask me how I know. I got lucky and found mine which had dropped out onto the floor and I put it aside.

If someone has a lathe and a ferule they could turn you one.
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I have found out that I have the exact same problem. Does anyone have either
-extra ferule for sale?
-replacement upper line with the coupler and ferule for sale (I'd like to use the original retaining clip/bracket) or else I will have to go buy a line close to the same length and bend it myself (yikes!)
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Bending the line is a cinch- the tubing available from parts stores is easily hand bent - except for very tight radiuses, which is not an issue in this segment of the brake lines.
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I ended up bending a new line. Not pretty but it should work fine. I fit it through the existing bracket and used a rubber hose to go around the line so it does not rub as it goes through the bracket. I also used my bracket clip over the rubber hose to lock it inplace. It took me about an hour to do the flares and bending. Good luck.
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Just wish I hadn't lost the darn ferule!
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